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Triviawayne
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09/10/2020 12:26 pm  

Recently I went on a quest for tires (like comic strip character BC in a Commodore 64 game).

When I bought the car with 10,050 miles on it, the original owner put some generic “all-weather” tires on it. I hated those things and when I hit 25,000, I bought myself some really nice BF Goodrich Comp T/A all-seasons.

I loved the look of the new tires, and they sure felt great. I was very unhappy when I had to replace them after 30,000 miles. Then I found I was “lucky” to get more than 20,000 on a set of tires!

Well, having no desire to replace $500+ sets tires that often, I did some shopping. I chose a set of Kumho Ecsta for my ride.

What surprised me most in my shopping is the MX-5 recommends W rated tires, which are a softer compound, even though the treadwear rating I had was over 400. The tires I bought are only V rated with a treadwear rating of over 500.

So now I have a harder compound, but I get a smoother ride…go figure.

The first few days with the tires were a little scary. There is a decreased level of grip, and with the gloss on new tires before you scrub them in, it felt a little like driving on ice! Things feel fine now, but I do still notice less grip, but I think it will be well worth it in the end when I can go maybe 50,000 miles on my magic donuts.

If you decide to go this route, there is one other thing I learned. On your door tag regarding tires, your car may “require” the W rated tires (my NC does not), and you could fail inspection with anything less.


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Flying Dutchman
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09/10/2020 4:40 pm  

I've been running a set of BF Goodrich G-Force Comp 2 A/S tires (W-rated) on our NC, Wayne.  I don't know if these are the same that you had. I installed them at 21,700 miles, when the OEM Bridgestones were getting low on tread.  We drive ~ 3,500 - 4,000 miles a year, so the tread life isn't really an issue for me.  They now have 18,000 miles on them, and their tread is still sufficient.  The OEM Bridgestones (some variation of the Potenza summer performance tires) seemed to stick a little more firmly, but I like the feel of the Comp 2s... just a little more slip, but more fun!  They're a bit noisy, but so is the rest of the car 😋.  But, if I were looking for longer wearing tires, I doubt that I'd have the Comp 2s.

David

Silver 2011 NC PRHT Grand Touring (actually Janice's car)


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CTt3MX5
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09/10/2020 7:55 pm  

I am in the process of shopping for summer tires right now but first have to find a set of wheels.  Not sure if I want to run a 17x8, 16x8 or 17x7.  The first two give me an extra inch of width and allow me to go with a 225 tire vs. a 205.  But I don't track/autocross so do I really need it for everyday driving?  Some say that the added width/grip dulls the acceleration for everyday use.  Found two wheels that I really, really like but they only come in a 17x7 and are on the heavier side.  If I go this route, I'd probably go from a 205 to a 215 tire.

At the moment the General G-Max RS is at the top of my list.  Looking primarily for a summer specific tire but won't rule out the possibility of a decent A/S, such as the BFG that Dave has.

I swap my tires out for the winter so my ~20K miles last about four seasons.  🙂

2016 ST GT aka Ghost


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Mike C
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10/10/2020 10:40 am  

The door tag on my '17 RF does not specify a speed rating and I've never had any trouble going through PA state inspection with any tires on any car I've owned, regardless of wheel size, tire size, or speed rating.

IMHO, a car as light as the ND doesn't need a tire wider than the 205 that comes standard, but if you choose a wider tire that's up to you.  Wider wheels usually add weight, which is detrimental.  There are lightweight options, but they can be expensive.

My Miata is currently fitted with aftermarket 17x7 wheels and 205/45x17 Continental ExtremeContact Sport tires.  I could not be happier with my tire choice.  The Continentals do everything I want a sports car tire to do, and don't seem to have any negatives.  They have a little over 25,000 miles on them, show no unusual wear, and I expect to get more than 30,000 miles before they need to be replaced.

General is a sub-brand of Continental, and the G-max RS is something I will look at next time around as a lower-cost potential replacement for the ECS.  But I'm very happy with the Contis and it's going to take something special to make me switch.

Several friends of mine are running General G-max AS-05 all season tires on their NC Miatas.  I've driven one multiple times and have been highly impressed with the tires.  If I wanted an all season tire the AS-05 would be my choice.

2017 RF Club, 6MT, Arctic White


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Storm88000
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11/10/2020 1:17 am  

I had 215s on my NC2 - Michelin Pilot Sports - and I feel that the extra rubber def helped. I wish I had the same instead of the 205s on the ND2. While it’s true 215s would be a bit heavier I’d be willing to take the small loss for the wider footprint - just my thoughts 

- Jordan
‘93 MX-5 B&T
‘20 MX-5 Club
‘20 Prius Prime Plug-In


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Triviawayne
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11/10/2020 9:38 am  

@mike-c

I didn't say you would fail, just that you could fail inspection without tires listed as required on the door tag.  Most places wouldn't notice or wouldn't care.


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Triviawayne
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11/10/2020 9:41 am  

@flying-dutchman

I don't know if it was just my perception, or if it was real, but my treadwear on the previous tires seemed to speed up the longer I had them on the car.

I could've kept them on the car for maybe another 5000 miles or more, but there wasn't much tread left at 30,000; and mine is a daily driver, and I wanted to be ready for winter, plus I was noticing less and less grip in the rain.


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Triviawayne
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11/10/2020 9:46 am  

Basically, I just wanted to warn everyone of what's going on with my situation.

I have a daily driver, the W rated tires don't last, and I don't want to spend $500+ every other year on tires when I can make them last twice as long with a V rated tire.

The tradeoff is while the V rated tire gives a smoother/quieter ride (on a harder compound, go figure), there will be less grip because the car's suspension is set up to have the extra grip the W rated tire provides.  It is a much different feeling when driving, not scary or anything like that, just different (OK, it was scary until I scrubbed them in).  When hitting the twisties on our rides, I know I have to drive a little different to make up for it. 


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livetodrive
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11/10/2020 9:19 pm  

My  RF has $86 tires on it, and my Club NC has 60 dollar tires on it. I would rather have wider, sportier looking tires, tear them up, then throw them away. O have no problem with grip. Ever. Wide tires will fo that for you. Plus I want tires that I can light up at will and not care about cost. I spin my tires every single time I drive. I also like to power slide around sharp turns. My cheap 60 dollar a piece tires will still get me 15, 000 miles. My tires will never dry rot, and I have maximum fun. 


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rhetlaw
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11/10/2020 9:47 pm  

That's what I love about this Club, you guys are so knowledgeable. If I have a question, I just put it out there. Or, like today, when I was asked about driving an NC at low gear and high RPM, I didn't know the answer. If it were about the NA I may have helped. However, Ken Hill was in our group and he took good care of the question.

At Longacres, Alexander out of Brooklyn asked me about different exhausts for his ND. Fortunately, Louie was in the area and I let Louie handle it.

Your shared knowledge helps many drivers in our Club.


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Triviawayne
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11/10/2020 11:06 pm  
Posted by: @livetodrive

My  RF has $86 tires on it, and my Club NC has 60 dollar tires on it. I would rather have wider, sportier looking tires, tear them up, then throw them away. O have no problem with grip. Ever. Wide tires will fo that for you. Plus I want tires that I can light up at will and not care about cost. I spin my tires every single time I drive. I also like to power slide around sharp turns. My cheap 60 dollar a piece tires will still get me 15, 000 miles. My tires will never dry rot, and I have maximum fun. 

So you’ll spend $180 for the same mileage I’m spending $110 for; or overall $280 more than I do. 


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livetodrive
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12/10/2020 6:22 am  

@triviawayne

ABSOLUTELY! I  agree with how important tires are to not only safety, but to the overall experience of your car. The whole reason that even my snow car is rear wheel drive,  is because of the driving dynamics inherent in the platform. You can't over throttle through a turn with a FWD, or most AWD cars and get the same experience of oversteer. If you have the correct level of grip, you can go through a 15 mph turn at 40 and have your tires predictably slither you through at just beyond what they are capable of. The sound and FEEL of your car dancing and sliding is sublime. 

Super grippy tires do not allow that experience at sane speeds. It is not fun when you try that same turn at 65 to get what you hope is the same result, and the texture of the road surface disagrees. 

My tires get replaced at the beginning of the spring on the third season. Sometimes I have to go do donuts to remove that stubborn tread.


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Bergy
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19/10/2020 9:43 am  

@ctt3mx5 I had the BFG Sport Comp 2 tires on my NB before I went to the A/S version. The summer only version was much stickier than the A/S version. Add thiose to your consideration list.

 

'01 BRG SE


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CTt3MX5
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20/10/2020 4:02 pm  

@bergy  I did have a pair of those on my NB when I bought it but they were well worn so I didn't get a good driving experience with them.  Another candidate added to my list.  Thanks!

2016 ST GT aka Ghost


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Storm88000
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30/10/2020 12:22 am  
Posted by: @triviawayne
Posted by: @livetodrive

My  RF has $86 tires on it, and my Club NC has 60 dollar tires on it. I would rather have wider, sportier looking tires, tear them up, then throw them away. O have no problem with grip. Ever. Wide tires will fo that for you. Plus I want tires that I can light up at will and not care about cost. I spin my tires every single time I drive. I also like to power slide around sharp turns. My cheap 60 dollar a piece tires will still get me 15, 000 miles. My tires will never dry rot, and I have maximum fun. 

So you’ll spend $180 for the same mileage I’m spending $110 for; or overall $280 more than I do. 

Can’t tell if you are being sarcastic or not - but he can buy whatever tires he wants just like you can.... I like his idea of buying cheaper ones so you don’t worry about squealing them or hitting a $200 pothole..

- Jordan
‘93 MX-5 B&T
‘20 MX-5 Club
‘20 Prius Prime Plug-In


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